THE SEARCH FOR JULIANA, eLIZABETH AND JOANNA BOYLE IN CAUSEWAY PARISH
Family history research comes down to a time consuming process of recording and analysis. If you are very lucky you strike gold quickly but not when you have a great range of alternative possibilities. Then you have to assemble and compare, putting aside the maybes for further work. One might say that one was trying to bring order from chaos, particularly as Irish families of those times used the same name again and again.
I have to do this exercise for all the names with which our family was associated including Flahive, Ferris, Nelan, Dee, Ryle and then of course there are the (O’)Connors!
This blog runs the risk of not seeing trees for the wood, but here goes...
Sponsors
It seems that wives used their maiden names most of the time (but sometimes not) when acting as sponsors – adds to the general confusion. I need to ask locally what the normal practice was, if there was one.
The incidence of Boyles versus Donoghues
I have said before that the Boyle name seems to be more common in Causeway than Donoghue and this data proves it.
There are so many townland names that it gets difficult to place them, so I have attached maps for Rattoo and Killury parishes at the end of the main text in this blog with acknowledgement to http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/civparlist.html#dna. The identification number used with the maps is shown in square brackets below in front of the townland name with R = Rattoo and K=Killury.
In Rattoo civil parish, the O’Donoghues are concentrated (more than 5 references for parents and sponsors) in [R19]Benmore/Ballyduff (26), [R33]Drommartin (21), [R1&7]Knoppoge (14), [R35]Ballincrossig (8) townlands.
In Killury civil parish the concentration is in [K12]Dromnacarra (22), [K3]Kilmore (18) and [K10]Ardagh townlands. All bar Dromnacarra (4 miles) are within 2 miles of Ballyduff.
The Boyle name for the same two civil parishes is, however, concentrated in many more townlands.
In Rattoo, the Boyles appear significantly in, [R30]Ballinbranhig (6), [35]Ballincrossig (20), [R19]Benmore/Ballyduff (24), [R33]Drommartin (14), [R30]Knockercreeveen (15), [R23]Rahealy (5), [R15]Rattoo (9), [R25]Sleveen (47), [R36]Tullaghna (28).
In Killury, we find them in [K2]Ardoughter (7), [K22]Ballinclemesig (12), [K15]Ballinglanna (47), [K9]Ballynaskreena (9), [K11]Castleshannon (7), [Town]Causeway (5), [K4]Cloghaneleesh (5), [K12]Dromnacarra (7), [K23]Lisduff (5), [K21]Rathmorrel (11).
In Killahan civil parish (still in Causeway RC parish), Clooneen contains (23) and in a townland, for which I have not been able to identify the civil parish, called Redfield there are (8).
The Boyle first names
In my last blog the Boyle names with their main events/dates found in Benmore/Ballyduff were:-
Generation One – Juliana’s sibling perhaps: Daniel (hus.1809-14), Patrick (sponsor 1814), Joanna (wife 1810, 1818), John (sp. 1810, 1818) and Catherine (sp.1812).
Generation Two – Juliana’s nephews and nieces perhaps: Joanna (wife to John Donoghue with kids 1838-45), Jude/Judith (sp.1844), Elizabeth (wife to James Donoghue with kids 1836-47), Julia (sp.1844), John (sp.1844), Brian (sp.1840), Ellen (sp.1840), Catherine (sp.1850), Mary (wife 1850).
This suggests that they were all from the same family group which is unlikely to be the case. They could just have carried the same surname.
However most of these names are common in Causeway parish except perhaps for Juliana/Julia and Elizabeth. The three cases we have in the tree are
Generation One: James and Juliana Boyle – birth guess 1780s
Generation Two: James and Elizabeth Boyle – birth guess 1816
John and Joanna Boyle – birth guess 1819
The results
In going through all the Causeway townlands where Boyles occur I have ranked them as Probable, Possible and Unlikely in order to narrow down our alternatives. The Probables and Possibles are noted below.
Probables:
[25]Sleveen counts as gold dust. There are more Boyles there than anywhere else bar Ballinglanna (same number, 47).
In 1839 Joanna Boyle married John Donohue and he was Thomas, my gggrandfather’s, brother in my opinion. Joanna and John named their first boy and girl, James (Donoghue) and Juliana (Boyle), which gives me confidence that John was their son.
There were a number of Boyle families in Sleveen because from 1828 to 1840, three Joannas had their first child.
All of our Boyle first names, bar Elizabeth, are there, in particular Brian which I have not found anywhere else. Brian Boyle was a sponsor at the birth of John and Joanna’s daughter, Juliana, in 1840. Brian was a father from 1808-25, his wife’s name was Mary Disset
Patrick (sp.1814) was a father in Sleveen from 1810-26. His wife was Honora Connell; the Connell name has relevance in Poplar in 1851.
John (sp.1810, 1818) was also a father in Sleveen from 1810-14 and his wife was a Mary Connor, my gggrandmother’s name, but there were an awful lot of Mary Connors.
So we can say that they were probably Joanna’s siblings.
I am not, however, convinced that our Juliana Boyle came from Sleveen. There is only one case of a Donoghue sponsor to Boyles in Sleveen and that was a Juliana Donoghue in 1848 which is a bit late for our Juliana and too early for the third generation Julianas (see family tree). The implication of this is that the siblings that I have listed above for her may not have been her family at all; possibly related but not siblings or nephews and nieces.
I need to ask my contacts in Ballyduff how old sponsors for baptisms might have been, because if this was our Juliana she would have been in her sixties/seventies.
[R35]Ballincrossig is a Probable because virtually all the Boyle first names are present and there is a couple, Daniel Custello and Ellen Donoghue, for whom a Juliana Boyle was sponsor for their child Ellen in 1844. They had two others Daniel and Joanna in 1848 for whom an Ellen Donoghue was sponsor.
There is an Elizabeth baptised in 1821, daughter to William Boyle and Julia Connor and another b.1820 to also a William Boyle but an Elizabeth Connor mother. Our Elizabeth’s first child was born in 1836, so she would have been 15-16 unless her baptism was very delayed. I think I am right in saying that there was no minimum age for marriage at that time but parental consent was needed if woman was under 21, so that is possible.
Clooneen is in Killahan civil parish but only 2.5 miles from Ballyduff. Juliana Boyle and James Donohough are sponsors for John Donohough & Ellen Johnson at the baptism of their daughter Juliana in 1812. This could have been James’s brother. There are lots of Boyle and Donoghue events in this townland.
In Ballyhennessy townland in Dysert 1 civil parish, about 5 miles from Ballyduff, there is a baptism of a Thomas Donoghue in 1822 to parents John Donoghue and Mary Scanlan, for whom the sponsors are James and Julia Donoghue. So there are a few of this combination around!
Possibles:
[R33]Drommartin is a long shot but there is an O’Connor in the States with ancestry here who has Donoghue heritage in Benmore/Ballyduff, so perhaps...
[R32]Knockercreeveen is also a long shot but it has all the right names even if they are not of the right generation. This has one of the few Elizabeths (b.1841), really too late for ours.
[K15]Ballinglanna has all the right names incl. Elizabeth (b.1837) but no Juliana.
So we have cracked Joanna Boyle and may have found Elizabeth. Juliana’s origin place will remain an ongoing question, which may never be solved.
If you want to see the raw data, it is at the end of this blog!
Rattoo Civil Parish Townlands & Map
Many thanks to Sean Ruad for this data from the IreAtlas Townland Database
With acknowledgement to http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/civparlist.html#dna
Rattoo is about 3 miles from top to toe as the crow flies.
Munster Province | |||
Townlands
|
Acres
|
Barony
|
Map#
|
Addergown
|
454
|
Clanmaurice
|
22
|
Ardcullen
|
198
|
Clanmaurice
|
3
|
Ardcullen-Marshes
|
168
|
Clanmaurice
|
5
|
Ayle
|
57
|
Clanmaurice
|
2
|
Ballinbranhig
|
301
|
Clanmorris
|
30
|
Ballincrossig
|
292
|
Clanmaurice
|
35
|
BALLYDUFF T.
|
DNA
|
Clanmaurice
|
**
|
Ballyhorgan
|
296
|
Clanmaurice
|
12
|
Ballyhorgan Marshes
|
137
|
Clanmaurice
|
14
|
Ballyouneen
|
656
|
Iraghticonnor
|
37
|
Benmore
|
223
|
Clanmaurice
|
19
|
Bishopscourt North
|
85
|
Clanmaurice
|
10
|
Bishopscourt South
|
144
|
Clanmaurice
|
17
|
Clooneagh
|
20
|
Clanmaurice
|
16
|
Cloonlogher
|
161
|
Clanmaurice
|
28
|
Corbally
|
170
|
Clanmaurice
|
29
|
Derryco
|
174
|
Clanmaurice
|
4
|
DROMMARTIN T.
|
DNA
|
Clanmaurice
|
**
|
Drommartin
|
382
|
Clanmaurice
|
33
|
Dromroe
|
101
|
Clanmaurice
|
34
|
Farranedmond
|
10
|
Clanmaurice
|
18
|
Glanerdalliv
|
258
|
Clanmaurice
|
26
|
Killarida
|
511
|
Iraghticonnor
|
38
|
Knockananore
|
200
|
Clanmaurice
|
24
|
Knockavaghig
|
176
|
Clanmaurice
|
31
|
Knockercreeveen
|
163
|
Clanmaurice
|
32
|
Knocknacree
|
154
|
Clanmaurice
|
20
|
Knoppoge North
|
181
|
Clanmaurice
|
1
|
Knoppoge South
|
161
|
Clanmaurice
|
7
|
Lacka East
|
38
|
Clanmaurice
|
9
|
Lacka West
|
165
|
Clanmaurice
|
8
|
Leagh
|
191
|
Clanmaurice
|
6
|
Leagh Marshes
|
87
|
Clanmaurice
|
13
|
Lisnagoneeny
|
207
|
Clanmaurice
|
27
|
Rahealy
|
215
|
Clanmaurice
|
23
|
Rattoo
|
379
|
Clanmaurice
|
15
|
Rattoo Island
|
1
|
Clanmaurice
|
*
|
Sheepwalk
|
91
|
Clanmaurice
|
11
|
Sleveen
|
386
|
Clanmaurice
|
25
|
Slievawaddra
|
154
|
Clanmaurice
|
21
|
Tullaghna
|
434
|
Clanmaurice
|
36
|
* Rattoo Island is a townland in Ratoo according to the "General Alphabetical Index to the Townlands of Ireland" 1851, but it is not on the map information we have available which are modeled after the Inner City Trust Maps, based on the Ordnance Survey completed in 1846.
** DNA = Does Not Apply (see below).
Towns/Townlands: "One of the confusing things about Irish government is that the "towns" for the most part really had no legal status. That is, no government function. They were just built-up areas. Therefore, you can't really look for "Ballylongford Town" on the Griffiths Valuation and find anything, (nor will you find them on Government Ordance Survey maps which our townland maps are based on - Waterlilys). It might be as many as a half dozen townlands which contain the areas which comprise the "Town of Ballylongford" or Castleisland or whatever." Ray Marshall. Therefore towns will be listed without acres or map numbers; instead you will see DNA = Does Not Apply.
Killury Civil Parish Townlands & Map
Killury civil parish runs along the west side of Rattoo. Look for the spike in Rattoo, it fits into the insert below. Some of these townlands are very close to Benmore/Ballyduff.
Killury is about 4-5 miles from top to toe
Listowel PLU, Clanmaurice Barony, Munster Province | ||
Townland
|
Acres
|
Map #
|
Ardagh
|
889
|
10
|
Ardoughter
|
864
|
2
|
Ballinclemesig
|
384
|
22
|
Ballinglanna
|
676
|
15
|
Ballynaskreena
|
311
|
9
|
Ballynoe
|
238
|
19
|
CAUSEWAY T.
|
DNA
|
*
|
Castleshannon
|
386
|
11
|
Clashmelcon
|
958
|
1
|
Cleanderry
|
638
|
13
|
Cloghane
|
481
|
4
|
Derryra Beg
|
34
|
6
|
Derryra More
|
23
|
7
|
Dromkeen East
|
684
|
17
|
Dromkeen West
|
729
|
18
|
Dromnacarra
|
673
|
12
|
Farran
|
189
|
16
|
Feeans
|
510
|
14
|
Kilmore
|
590
|
3
|
Knoppoge
|
391
|
5
|
Lisduff
|
284
|
23
|
Lissycurrig
|
285
|
20
|
Meenogahane
|
625
|
8
|
Rathmorrel
|
236
|
21
|
* DNA = Does Not Apply.
THE RAW DATA
5 or more entries in the register makes a townland relevant. Names listed are Boyle parents, children (including to Boyle wives) and sponsors.
Rattoo:
Addergown: 3, Juliana (1783, child Edmund), Ellen (wife 1831-5), Catherine (1833). Donoghues: None UNLIKELY
Ardoughter: 7, Honora, John, Richard, Julia (1838), James, Thomas, Daniel (1846), Mary (1849), Brigid, Patrick (1851). Donoghues: Patrick (1830s) and wife Julia (1851) UNLIKELY
Ballinbranhig: 6, James, Mary (wife 1813-16, dau, John, Joanna (wife 1813 & dau. 1813 & 1826), Bridget, Michael, Thomas. Donoghues: None UNLIKELY
Ballincrossig: 20, Mary (wife 1783-4, b.1812, sp.1837), Patrick (sp.1784, b.1809), Terence, Margaret, William, John (sp.1817), Daniel (sp.1819), Ellen (b.1815, sp.1829), Michael, Juliana (b.1817 and b.1826 (same parents), sp.1844 Ellen Donohue, sp.1845 Patrick Connor), Elizabeth (b.1820, b.1821), Catherine (sp.1842). Donoghues: Mary Donohue wife 1828-42, Brigid wife 1840, Ellen wife 1842-8) POSSIBLE because all the Boyle first names are present and there is a couple, Daniel Custello and Ellen Donoghue, for whom a Juliana Boyle was sponsor for their child Ellen in 1844. They had two others, Daniel and Joanna, in 1848 for whom an Ellen Donoghue was sponsor. There is also an Elizabeth b.1821 to William Boyle and Julia Connor and another b.1820 to also a William Boyle but an Elizabeth Connor. If Elizabeth’s first child was born in 1836 she would have been 15-16 unless her baptism was very delayed. I think I am right in saying that there was no minimum age for marriage at that time but parental consent was needed if woman was under 21.
Ballynaskreena: 9, Joanna (sp.1822), Catherine (wife 1824), Patrick (sp.1835 Mary Connor, sp. 1843) Michael, Margaret, John (sp.1850), Debora, William. Donoghues: John & Catherine Donohue sp.1859 UNLIKELY
Benmore/Ballyduff: Covered on earlier blog.
Contacts: Ryle in Ireland
Cloghaneleesh: 5, Terence, Patrick (b.1841), Bridget, Juliana (b.1848), Thomas, Michael, Margaret, Mary (b.1849). Donoghues: Margaret sp.1836 UNLIKELY
Drommartin: 14, Mary (sp.1785), John (sp.1810 James Connor), William, Ellen (sp.1821, wife 1826 sp. Margaret Donohue, sp.1844 James Donohue), James, Margaret, Catherine (sp.1840), Thomas, Jasper. Donoghues: Lots. POSSIBLE
Contacts: O’Connor in US
Knockercreeveen: 15, John (sp.1810, 1825, 1831 all Boyle families), Daniel (hus 1817-21), James, Mary (b.1818), Patrick (hus 1818-40, son 1832), Thomas, Helen (b.1822), Juliana (b.1817, b.1825, wife 1846), Johanna (b.1834), Honora (b.1840), Judith (sp.1834), Ellen (wife 1831), Eleanor, Elizabeth (b.1841). Donoghues: Margaret wife 1810, John sp.1821 & James sp.1824. POSSIBLE - lots of right names plus one of few Elizabeths anywhere but low chance.
Lisnagoneeny: Same Donoghue woman called Judith, Julia, Juliana
Rahealy: 5, Mary (wife 1832 Thomas Connor, 1834 John Connor), Ellen (sp.1836, wife 1838-43), Juliana (sp.1851), John (b.1834), Patrick (b.1838), Martin. Donoghues: Ann sp.1819, Mary sp.1840. UNLIKELY - but lot of Boyle & Connor interactions
Rattoo: 9, Ellen (wife 1783), Honora, Patrick (hus.1822), Mary (sp.1822), Thomas, Margaret, John (hus.1840), Maurice. Donoghues: Daniel hus.1819, John & Catherine sp.1819, Julia sp.Gunn 1832. UNLIKELY
Sleveen: 47, John (sp.1784, hus.1810-14 wife Mary Connor sp. Brian, b.1815, hus. 1835), Brian (hus.1808-25, b.1826, sp.1815, sp.1820, 1824, 1827, 1845), Patrick (hus.1810-26, sp.1812, 1825, hus.1839, b.1844), Mary (b.1812, sp.1819, sp.1840 x 2), Joanna (b.1808, sp.1823, 1827, wife1828-39, wife 1836-48, b.1848, sp.1838, 1842, wife 1839 John Donohue), David, Michael, Ellen (sp.1824, 1835, 1837, 1839, wife 1849), Thomas, Catherine (sp.1835, wife 1839), Margaret, Julia (sp.1852), Daniel (b.1827), Winifred, Gobnet, Timothy, Edmund. Donoghues: Lots. PROBABLE/CERTAIN
Tullaghna: 28, Thomas, James, Mary (wife 1809-15, wife 1822, wife 1831-42, b. 1834, wife 1831, sp.1835, 1840, 1841, wife 1847), Patrick (b.1809, 1825, sp. 1825), Terence, John (b.1815, hus.1824, sp.1831, 1833, 1837), Catherine (sp.1839, 1842, b.1839), Ellen (wife 1833-42), Joanna (b.1835), Matthew, Daniel (b.1835, 1842), Margaret, William, Bridget, Honora, Denis, Cornelius, Michael. Donoghues: John & James hus.1784, Ann wife 1786, Dermot hus.1831, James hus.1831, James sp.1861. UNLIKELY
Killury:
Ballinclemesig: 12, Mary (wife 1812, sp.1830, 1839, wife 1834, b. 1834, 1842), Catherine (b.1812), Patrick (sp.1830, 1836, 1840, b. 1847, hus.1850) Margaret, Ann, Joanna (b.1837), Bridget, Michael, Ellen (b.1852), Elizabeth (b.1850), John (hus.1851), William, Juliana (b.1851). Donoghues: None. UNLIKELY
Ballinglanna: 47, Patrick (sp.1783, hus.1784,b.1811, b.1812, sp.1826, b.1847, b.1846, hus.1848-9), Thomas, Joanna (wife 1807, b.1830, b.1809, b.1833, b.1834, b.1850), Terence, John (sp.1808, b.1827, sp.1823, b.1826, hus.1832-51, b.1851, b.1839, sp.1846, Michael, Margaret, Mary (wife 1808-30, b.1808, sp.1830, b.1814, sp.1823, sp.1826, wife 1825-6, sp.1825, b.1826, b.1834, b.1848, sp.1846, sp.1850), Catherine (b.1810, b.1821, sp.1821, b.1836, wife 1850), Daniel (b.1815), Elizabeth (b.1837), Ellen (b.1844, wife 1836-48), Honora, Bridget, Timothy. Donoghues: Bridget sp.1846. All the right names incl. Elizabeth but no Juliana so POSSIBLE
Contacts: Boyle in US
Castleshannon: 7, Margaret, Juliana (wife 1826-44), Joanna (b.1825), Patrick (b.1830, sp.1840, hus.1827-44, b.1844), Mary (b.1826, b.1836), William, John (b.1840), Bridget, Michael, Thomas, Julia (b.1838). Donoghues: Some - Maurice, John & Joanna, Bridget. UNLIKELY but Ryle connection?
Causeway: 5, William, John (sp.1809), Mary (b.1827), Honora. Donoghues: John & Ellen sp.1810, Ellen wife 1833, sp.1860. UNLIKELY
Dromnacarra: 9, Margaret, Catherine (b.1807, sp.1842, Thomas, Joanna (b.1809, 1814, Bridget, Daniel (b.1817, Michael, Patrick (b.1824, sp.1842, John (b.1827, sp.1855), Mary (wife 1833-42, Ellen (sp.1855), Michael. Donoghues: Lots, particularly Bartholomew sp.1819, b.1823 to Margaret Donohue, sp.1822, sp.1826, hus.1826. Possible because of Bartholomew but as he gets married to a Mary Moore in 1826 UNLIKELY
Lisduff: 5, John, Mary. Donoghues: None. UNLIKELY
Rathmorrel: 11, Mary, John, Ellen, Patrick, Bridget, Richard, Michael, Martin, Terence. Donoghues: None. UNLIKELY
Killahan:
Clooneen: 23, Thomas, John (hus.1809-32, sp. 1809, 1818,1820, 1841), Catherine (sp.1809, 1832, 1835, wife 1849), Mary (wife 1809, sp.1836, wife 1835), Juliana (sp.1812 with James Donohough for John Donohough & Ellen Johnson, sp.1846), Ellen (b.1809, b.1836, 1844), Patrick (b.1818), Margaret, Honora, James. Donoghues: Lots and James and Juliana/Julia. PROBABLE
Unknown civil parishes:
Redfield: 8, Honora, Thomas, Catherine (sp.1835, b.1839), Mary (wife 1835-47), Margaret, Morgan, James, Ellen (b.1847), Patrick (sp.1845), Elizabeth (sp.1845). Donoghues: None. UNLIKELY
Vagrant: only 2, but one is Elizabeth (sp.1835). Donoghues: One, Dermot. UNLIKELY
