THE STORY OF OUR FAMILY
GENERATION FIVE
MARY
CATHERINE
THOMAS WILLIAM
MARGARET
The generations
One: Patrick? Donoghue (b.c.1745) & an unknown
wife – gggggrandparents
Two: James Donoghue (b.c.1775) & Julia Boyle –
ggggrandparents
Three: Thomas Donoghue (1806 - 63) & Ellen Connor
(1808 – 89) - gggrandparents
Four: Thomas O’Donoghue (1844 - 1920) & Mary
Sullivan (1845 - 80) - ggrandparents
Five: Mary O’Donoghue (27 July 1866 – 1 August
1866
Catherine O’Donoghue (1867 – 1954)
Thomas William O’Donoghue (1869 - 71)
Margaret O’Donoghue (1872 – c.1942)
James O’Donoghue (b.1874) and Ada
Agnes Tait (b.1879) - grandparents
Mary Ann O’Donoghue (b.1877) and
George William Phillips (b.1879)
Gwendoline Anastasia Celina O’Donoghue
(b.1880)
I gave some
basic details of the children of Thomas and Mary Sullivan when I told their
story. I will endeavour to tell you more
about them in this and later blogs.
When I started out on the trail of our family I was confused by the
names of Thomas and Mary’s children. Traditional
Irish naming practice went like this
First son after paternal grandfather – so Thomas √
First daughter after paternal grandmother – so Ellen, but actually
Mary
Second son after maternal grandfather – so John, but James was oldest
paternal uncle
Second daughter after maternal grandmother – so Margaret, but
Catherine
Third son after father – No third son
Third daughter after mother – so Mary, but Margaret after her maternal
grnadmother
Fourth son after oldest paternal uncle – No fourth son
Fourth daughter after oldest maternal aunt – I only know of brothers
for Mary Sullivan their mother
You can see that there is very little concordance with the
tradition. Ellen and John don’t even get
a look in. What does this tell us?
Thomas had only been in London from c.1851, but Mary’s Sullivan family
had been there rather longer. While
Thomas might have wanted to follow tradition, Mary wasn’t interested, she was a
London-born girl. While we can find a
family connection for all the names, apart from Gwendoline, there is no
pattern. The full tradition rarely
lasted more than one generation out of Ireland and was fading even in Ireland
in the second half of the 19th century.
Mary (27 July 1866 – 1 August
1866)
One can’t but feel for Thomas and Mary, born on the 27th July, their
first child died five days later on the 1st August of convulsions. These must have been some sort of seizure
brought on by fever. Her grandfather had
died in 1863 of typhoid, but cholera was also rampant in 1866 so it could have
been either of them that did for little Mary.
The infant mortality rate in England and Wales in the 1870s was c.15%,
so one imagines that for London it would have been very much higher in the
light of the growth and density of population.
Mother, Mary, describes herself as Mary Ann and the informant for both
birth and death was her brother, James, who was unable to sign his name.
At this time her parents were living in 8 Croucher Place, Railway
Street, Bromley, Poplar. Railway Street
ran north to south along the east side of the London Railway line, which
terminated in the Bass Pale Ale Stores warehouse just the north-east of the
West India Docks.
Catherine (1867 – 1954) – aka Aunt
Kate
Compared to poor Mary, Catherine lived until she was 85. She was born on 17 June at 13 Avenue, Bromley. This road ran along the east side of Campbell
Road which goes up to the Bow Road. Booth
in his 1889 Poverty Maps describes these streets as ‘Mixed, some comfortable,
some poor’.
The family would have been right under the North London Railway which
connected North London with the East and West India Docks; it must have been very noisy and dirty from the steam trains. Bow Station (above) was probably Thomas’s route to work. Did he buy a ticket like this?
By 1871 the family had moved down to Charles Street nearer the East
India Dock Road, so one presumes that Catherine would have gone to the Wade
Street School and worshipped at St Mary and St Joseph’s in Canton Street.
Her mother died in 1880, Catherine was 13 and became the family’s
mother figure and Thomas’s housekeeper.
Education was compulsory for children under 13 in 1870 so one imagines
that that was it for Catherine. I suspect
she rather regretted ending her education because I have been given the
impression that she was a rather shy, quiet and studious person, certainly very
religious. By 1891 the youngest child at
home, Mary Ann, was 14 so she could go out to work. In the 1901 census she described her
occupation as ‘looks after home’. She continued to live, unmarried, with her
father until his death in 1920.
I
was told that Catherine worked as a nanny for a shipping family named Tye who
lived in the East India Dock Road. She
said that they were a very nice family and that “it was not like going out into
the world to work”. This was early in
her working life I imagine.
In
the 1901 census a Patrick James and Mary Ann Tye were living at 176 East India
Dock.Road.It’s the one on the left in this old picture. The building was on the corner of Chrisp Street and just round from where Catherine lived. They had one child, John, of 18, hardly material for a nanny! They did, however, employ a servant.
In
1891 the Tyes were living in Wells Street just off Cotton Street
By
1911 Patrick had died and Mary Ann was living with her niece, Mary Ann Deeble,
who was 11, plus a servant. She was
running the company.
In
1911 Catherine was a washer woman working from home so she was probably
employed to look after son, John, and possibly niece, Mary Ann, any time
between 1891 and before 1911.
She
is said to have been in service in the West End and in particular the Old
Brompton Road. I cannot add anything to
that, but sometime after the 1914-18 war her employer was a Nora Barton Wilson,
whose daughters went to a Ursuline Convent.
In 1911 there was a
Barton-Wilson (very few folk with that name) family living in Kingston upon
Thames (right sort of area), but the lady of the house was a Jane Mary a widow
of 61, with a son of 37. I cannot find a
Nora anywhere so that’s as far as I have got.
She regaled the children with stories of
Ireland. Bernie, Len and Kate Hosford
remembered them well.
The banshee was most likely to be seen at midnight, dusk or dawn. In
other words when light was poor. She might appear on strangely formed rocks or hills, by rivers and lakes or by the house where the person was dying. The most common manifestation was as a lady washing or combing her long hair. There were different banshee personalities for individual areas and they were often associated with the fairy queens. Individual families
had their own character and there were two for the O’Connors and one for the
O’Donoghues.
She used to say that the family was from Ross Castle in
Killarney. When I first got to know
Bernie, that’s what he said. So
Catherine was to blame for me wasting many years trying to find our lot in that
area!
To recall, from around 1900 our family lived in Cotton Street and the
Phillips family lived next door.
Catherine was a very good needlewoman, dressmaker and made the children’s
clothes for both the O’Donoghue and Phillips' families.
She was a quiet, gentle person who both families went to when they
wanted any little job attended to or needed to talk a problem over. She was a vegetarian.
She never made outside friends or went out with anyone. She went to the pictures only twice, once
with Kate Phillip's mother and father and with my father, George. She was very shy.
Maureen is the only one of us to have met her and remembers a very old
lady who lived on the top floor of 60 Cotton Street and never went out.
In 1939, she went to live with Mary Phillips in Dagenham, where her
sister Mary Ann (who married Mary’s father) was already living. She was looked after variously by Mary, Lottie and Kate Phillips until
she died in 1954 at Mary’s house at 41 Winifred Road, Dagenham. Mary’s husband Arthur Williams was the
informant.
Thomas William O’Donoghue (1869 – 71)
Thomas William O’Donoghue (1869 – 71)
Born on 21 November 1869 at 13 Market Street, two years later he was
dead from compression of the brain.
This is pressure inside
the skull that pushes on the brain
and cerebrospinal fluid. This is most
commonly the result of a head injury that causes bleeding or swelling in the brain, but also can be due to a tumour,
abscess, or increase in cerebrospinal fluid.
Whatever caused it, it
was another awful blow to the family.
Thomas and Mary must have been distraught.
Margaret (1872 – c.1942) – aka Madge
She was born on 3 July 1872 at 83 Augusta Street and named after her
maternal grandmother. But to make sense
of her life has proved very difficult.
One thing is clear, the two sisters, Catherine and Margaret, were
entirely different personalities.
She vanishes from the records between 1882 and 1901, but reappears in
the 1911 census living with her father at 21 Cotton Street, age 38, single with
no children and with an occupation of servant.
There is a column on the census form that asks whether you were an
Employer, Worker or Own Account.
Margaret is described as Own Account and I haven’t seen that designation
in the family. Might this suggest a
somewhat independent lady?
My main family sources have been Kate Hosford (née Phillips), Bernie
and Len. With family stories memory
plays tricks but this is her story as best remembered.
She was a nurse at The London Hospital (today the Royal London
Hospital is on the Whitechapel Road) or a London hospital. She was also in show business on the chorus
line. She looked after a Jewish boy
(possibly in the West End) and his parents gave her their store.
She used to speak of a girl named Golda whose brother she was very
fond of and who gave her a lovely gold watch.
Did the brother become her husband?
I have been told that she was married and possibly had two children,
one of whom was killed, which broke their hearts. Her husband was a rich Jew possibly named
Hyman, Ivan or Herschel. They lived in
Aldgate and the family had a shop or business there.
Margaret became a drinker and her husband came to see Thomas, her
father, who died in 1920, and was heartbroken but could take no more. He was a thorough gentleman apparently.
This history implies that the marriage must have taken place after
1911 and before 1920.
She had beautiful clothes. She always wore a black veil
over her face when going out. Her skin
was lovely and she always used the same perfume. Sadly no one seems to have had a photo of
her.
She used to visit Aunt Kate on Saturdays. She was the only one Margaret would take
notice of when she had been drinking.
The drinking caused her to lose everything and she
finished on the street. James, her
brother, turned her away which he always regretted.
In her later years she lived in Whitechapel, but was believed
to have been in Poplar in 1941-2 and may have been killed in the bombing.
I have not been able to confirm any of this sad story. After 1911 I
cannot find her in the records. She has
been the most elusive of our ancestors.
I will continue to look.
Sources & acknowledgements
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